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 Post subject: Britain's broadband censors: a bunch of students
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:48 pm 

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Britain's broadband censors: a bunch of students
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/370561/britains-broadband-censors-a-bunch-of-students


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 Post subject: Re: Britain's broadband censors: a bunch of students
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:36 pm 
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"If there’s any doubt" - Yeah right. What they really mean is "If someone dangerous complains".

"In those cases [pornography], it takes a human to take a look at it" - So... their job description is basically to watch porn all day.

They also mention that they censor politics that they consider to be "the extreme left or right"

"Normally, the entire site would be banned, not only the offending page" (except for a few large & famous sites)

"The lists aren't made public, and McAfee doesn't notify sites when they're added, so it's difficult to know which are blocked unless you're using the service." - Well actually, it's nearly impossible to know, even if you do use the service, except the ones you specifically know about and test.

"would never publish the full list for intellectual property reasons." - So what percentage of the URLs on your blacklist do you own the intellectual property for? what fraction is original material?


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 Post subject: Re: Britain's broadband censors: a bunch of students
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:54 pm 
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Pervach wrote:
"If there’s any doubt" - Yeah right. What they really mean is "If someone dangerous complains".

"In those cases [pornography], it takes a human to take a look at it" - So... their job description is basically to watch porn all day.

They also mention that they censor politics that they consider to be "the extreme left or right"

"Normally, the entire site would be banned, not only the offending page" (except for a few large & famous sites)

"The lists aren't made public, and McAfee doesn't notify sites when they're added, so it's difficult to know which are blocked unless you're using the service." - Well actually, it's nearly impossible to know, even if you do use the service, except the ones you specifically know about and test.

"would never publish the full list for intellectual property reasons." - So what percentage of the URLs on your blacklist do you own the intellectual property for? what fraction is original material?


"database rights"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_right

You can't copyright facts, but you can copyright a particular collection of facts (a database) such as a telephone directory or a web directory or an anti-web-directory ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Britain's broadband censors: a bunch of students
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:19 pm 
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Well, it's not really "fact". More like "opinion" in this case.

Pervach wrote:
james g wrote:
50% or more of a work
My instant reaction is "yuck" - IMO you can in some situations create a "significantly different" idea just by placing the exact same content in a new context

Of which this is an example. The only <0.1% of the work that is "new" is that they are under categories.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain's broadband censors: a bunch of students
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:54 pm 
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Pervach wrote:
Well, it's not really "fact". More like "opinion" in this case.


Each listed URL is a 'fact' -- a pre-existing piece of information that they didn't themselves create.

The blacklist is a 'database' -- work, time, opinions, etc have gone into compiling it and (worthy or not) that makes it eligible for copyright protection.

However if the list is never published then it's intellectual property of a different kind, a trade secret. Copyright over a trade secret is irrelevant because very few people are given the opportunity to infringe, and those few who do have access to the list will have signed a confidentiality agreement.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain's broadband censors: a bunch of students
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:38 pm 

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oh yay, automated censorship!

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